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Re: Make Upperdark Harder... like impossible to solo harder.

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Heh you want an Underdark that is insanely difficult you should try where i am now... further out you go and the further down you go the worse it gets and even whole groups of lv 30s will often get wasted as soon as entering certain areas. Aside from the starting areas around the main UD city and a few easy (but well patrolled by drow and other UD folk) routes to the surface, every place else is an epic zone, some of which have lv 60 mobs and the max lv you can get is 30. And dont even ask about the Lowerdark... that place is the very definition of the word (nightmare). :twisted:
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Wolfrayne wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 6:31 am I just want people to respect the setting a little and not walk around like they are "LEET SLAYER OF ALL THINGS EVIL ALMIGHTY MAGE WARRIOR BARD ROGUE BESERKER LORD KING MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE" all the time.

yes we cap out at level 30... throttle yourself... setting wise you are considered around lvl 15.... Dont make yourself the unfearing god of all things.. build a character. play the setting. The best players on this server i have found are usualy the ones who fail more than they win. They run away when things get tough or think their way around something, they build up relationships and groups.. they die and leave behind memories... these are the things people remember most.

nobody likes the "Master of the Universe" player... those are the people who get laughed at behind their backs.
if we go by power level setting, look what lvl drizzt is

http://www.candlekeep.com/library/artic ... zt-2nd.htm

You have said yourself the server timeline is 2e or 3e (cant remember right to be honest)

these are his 2e stats, what about 3e?

https://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp ... x20010117d

15 (+2 drow HD)

So, if you read Drizzt books, you will know at what level he got out of the Underdark more or less....so at least, if you stick by lore mechanics, at least, these are official stats lorewise, so, the power level is right for a surface drow

we also had examples of eilistraeeans pcs permakilled on surface and the same goes for the surfacers on the underdark , as I know personally of examples of UD chars permakilled on the surface and surface dwellers permakilled on the Underdark.

This server lorewise is very rich thanks to many hardworking players, I think this is a disservice you are doing to them and their wonderful stories, since they should be acknowledged.

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Re: Make Upperdark Harder... like impossible to solo harder.

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Could there maybe be a way to make the areas connecting the upperdark to surface a 24 or 48 hour semi-perma kill zone?
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Wolfrayne wrote: Wed May 30, 2018 6:31 am I just want people to respect the setting a little and not walk around like they are "LEET SLAYER OF ALL THINGS EVIL ALMIGHTY MAGE WARRIOR BARD ROGUE BESERKER LORD KING MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE" all the time.

yes we cap out at level 30... throttle yourself... setting wise you are considered around lvl 15.... Dont make yourself the unfearing god of all things.. build a character. play the setting. The best players on this server i have found are usualy the ones who fail more than they win. They run away when things get tough or think their way around something, they build up relationships and groups.. they die and leave behind memories... these are the things people remember most.

nobody likes the "Master of the Universe" player... those are the people who get laughed at behind their backs.
I couldn't agree with you more, Wolfrayne. I hope when the time comes, and soon, that you'll join me and others in RP that DOES give respect to the Setting, and respect to consequence from PC actions. Cheers!

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P.S if you play a Drow main, Please please kill every single surfacer you see without any remorse of mercy.... The UD is a joke.
Some of us would, but the OOC nonsense just isn't worth it. When surfacers instigate pvp against drow, it's roleplay worthy of standing ovations. When evil drow act like evil drow, they're pvp baiters and the RP police's iron fist comes down with more inane OOC rulings.
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cosmic ray wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 am
P.S if you play a Drow main, Please please kill every single surfacer you see without any remorse of mercy.... The UD is a joke.
Some of us would, but the OOC nonsense just isn't worth it. When surfacers instigate pvp against drow, it's roleplay worthy of standing ovations. When evil drow act like evil drow, they're pvp baiters and the RP police's iron fist comes down with more inane OOC rulings.
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Avanos wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 11:36 am
cosmic ray wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 am
P.S if you play a Drow main, Please please kill every single surfacer you see without any remorse of mercy.... The UD is a joke.
Some of us would, but the OOC nonsense just isn't worth it. When surfacers instigate pvp against drow, it's roleplay worthy of standing ovations. When evil drow act like evil drow, they're pvp baiters and the RP police's iron fist comes down with more inane OOC rulings.
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Well said.
This thread is about the Upper dark not the Underdark and the policies in the upperdark are the same as the surface for all races. Surfacers can not just KOS in the UpD and the UD races can not KOS either in that area. UD is different however and Drow are welcome to be drow in the underdark areas where surfacers need RP reasons to even be there. Same for Surfacers on the surface when faced with UD races who need a RP reason to even be there. The Upperdark is follow all PvP rules as stated in the rules section and thus should be treated as such. The fact that any of you are sad about that just means you are not intending RP in the first place but just mad about surface PCs being down there at all and want to PvP them to teach some absurd lesson for whatever reason that really is not part of the BG atmosphere.
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Yes, you have made my thoughts as clear as the Summer sky. I should ask you to start voicing my opinions from now on because you know them very well. ;)
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Calodan wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 11:48 am
Avanos wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 11:36 am
cosmic ray wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 am
Some of us would, but the OOC nonsense just isn't worth it. When surfacers instigate pvp against drow, it's roleplay worthy of standing ovations. When evil drow act like evil drow, they're pvp baiters and the RP police's iron fist comes down with more inane OOC rulings.
+1
Well said.
This thread is about the Upper dark not the Underdark and the policies in the upperdark are the same as the surface for all races. Surfacers can not just KOS in the UpD and the UD races can not KOS either in that area. UD is different however and Drow are welcome to be drow in the underdark areas where surfacers need RP reasons to even be there. Same for Surfacers on the surface when faced with UD races who need a RP reason to even be there. The Upperdark is follow all PvP rules as stated in the rules section and thus should be treated as such. The fact that any of you are sad about that just means you are not intending RP in the first place but just mad about surface PCs being down there at all and want to PvP them to teach some absurd lesson for whatever reason that really is not part of the BG atmosphere.
Nobody is contesting the rules here.
Cosmic was just pointing out the hypocrisy surrounding the ooc nonsense that would follow if we took the advice of the original quote of killing every single surfacer that comes to the UD.
People in the UD arent sad about it as well. We welcome surfacers with open arms because it simply generates more content for us.

I agree with the original topic that upperdark and underdark should be more difficult for players on the surface.

I'm not sure if a system such as this can be coded:

When surfacers start to enter UD/UpD areas, CR will automatically start to increase the deeper they go.

When UD characters enter the surface, automatic CR increase the further they go from the UD entrances.
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RP between UD and surface should be facilitated otherwise guilds such as Bregan will never work on this server. Just my opinion.
Changing the laws from "consorting with drow" to "aiding or abetting the presence of such upon ducal lands" was a step in the right direction.
On the other hand it's true that you can't really experience IG that travel between the surface and the UD is a dangerous one, but people will always find ways to cheese their way through it anyways with invisibility, teleport or sanctuary. People should still try to RP the journey as a dangerous one even if it's fairly easy IG.
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I think these kind of threads divide the communtity for very dumb reasons and there is no exchange being made as some very good points are being ignored in favor of personal feelings.

No sourcebook is being quoted, just "but muh underdark should be dangerous" yet most of the people complaining dont even play the UD.
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Forgotten Realms source book, "Underdark", page 4
Tavern tales across Faerûn's sunlit lands whisper of the Underdark, a lightless, subterranean realm that is home to fabled races and ancient, unspeakable evil. It is a domain of privmeval mysteries and unending war, a hidden world of cruel masters and hopless slaves, filled with monstrous races that were old before humans were born. it is a dank, dismal place of fungus, rot and slime. It is a land where a few lucky merchants hafe found a lucrative trade, but where many more have been slain (or worse), for their effrontery. So dire is the reputation of the Underdark and its denizens that mothers caution their children to behave, lest the dark elves steal them away.

A proper account of the Underdark must include the cold machinations of the hateful illithids, the unwholesome cities of the drow elves who pay homage to the bitter Spider Queen, and the unending servitude of the lesser creatures that fall into the clutches of these two races. Unlike the upper world, where civilization and the light of day protect travelers from horrors, the Underdark holds the promise of deadly peril. Illithids, drow, phaerimms, and aboleths vie for supremacy in its dark tunnels and sunless seas. They fight one another with armies of slaves, terrible and ancient magic, and mind-shattering psionicsfor control of the encompassing tunnel systems and the extended caverns, vaults, cavities, gaps and nodes that riddle the earth beneath Faerûn. The Underdark is literally an entire world, most of which is inhabited by monstrous and evil creatures that shun the daylight. Hundreds of independent cities, towns and strongholds are scattered througout the caves and caverns that make up this realm.
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Deathgrowl wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 8:41 am Forgotten Realms source book, "Underdark", page 4
Tavern tales across Faerûn's sunlit lands whisper of the Underdark, a lightless, subterranean realm that is home to fabled races and ancient, unspeakable evil. It is a domain of privmeval mysteries and unending war, a hidden world of cruel masters and hopless slaves, filled with monstrous races that were old before humans were born. it is a dank, dismal place of fungus, rot and slime. It is a land where a few lucky merchants hafe found a lucrative trade, but where many more have been slain (or worse), for their effrontery. So dire is the reputation of the Underdark and its denizens that mothers caution their children to behave, lest the dark elves steal them away.

A proper account of the Underdark must include the cold machinations of the hateful illithids, the unwholesome cities of the drow elves who pay homage to the bitter Spider Queen, and the unending servitude of the lesser creatures that fall into the clutches of these two races. Unlike the upper world, where civilization and the light of day protect travelers from horrors, the Underdark holds the promise of deadly peril. Illithids, drow, phaerimms, and aboleths vie for supremacy in its dark tunnels and sunless seas. They fight one another with armies of slaves, terrible and ancient magic, and mind-shattering psionicsfor control of the encompassing tunnel systems and the extended caverns, vaults, cavities, gaps and nodes that riddle the earth beneath Faerûn. The Underdark is literally an entire world, most of which is inhabited by monstrous and evil creatures that shun the daylight. Hundreds of independent cities, towns and strongholds are scattered througout the caves and caverns that make up this realm.
Funny this mentions merchants and others making it in there....also funny you ignore Drizzt , what lvl was he when he left the UD?
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Hey, you were the one asking for sources! :P

It does say "a few lucky merchants" make it there. But it also points out that most people die or worse. There's another section on page 100 that says adventurers from all over faerûn brave the underdark, but most of them - again - die, or worse. And our characters fall into that description, if anything.

Design right now is the fewest die and certainly never the "or worse" part.

I didn't ignore Drizzt. It's been a few years since I read the trilogy of Drizzt' origin story, but I recall he had a bit of help, massive amounts of luck and was generally very skilled. He is set as fighter10/barbarian1/ranger5 in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. The ranger part came just after he arrived on the surface. The barbarian part came during his exile in the underdark. So he was probably around level 11 (cr13 with that +2 ECL). Pay attention to the fact that we have inflated levels on BGTSCC. A character in lore at level 11 would be treated as much more powerful for us.

Drizzt is also a Mary Sue.
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