NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

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Re: NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

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mrm3ntalist wrote:- Increase wildshape uses but change the dragon shape feat to require 27 levels of Druid. Cavestalker does not give access to druid wildshape forms.
Does the above also mean that Cavestalker progesses Wild Shape? I have a Druid 10 / Cavestalker 6, and after the update, I did not gain either Plant Shape (Druid 12) or Elemental Shape (Druid 16).
Cavestalker provides wild shape uses/day, but does not stack with druid levels for purposes of qualifying for shapes. Previously the Dragon Shape Epic feat requirements were for Wisdom and wild shape uses. We added the minimum Druid level (27) because 8 wildshape uses is easier to reach sooner if you have Cavestalker levels adding uses/day.

Cavestalker levels do not stack with Druid levels for determining which Druid shapes you can use.
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Alright! That is an important clarification!!!

Minimum Druid lvl 16 then! 8-)

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Steve wrote:Alright! That is an important clarification!!!

Minimum Druid lvl 16 then! 8-)
leave it to you to find every flaw in our wording, Steve... :evil: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well...I mean...if I'm supposed to utilize the new changes to their most EPIC PAWNING UBER MONSTROUS WONDERFUL EFFECT, then...I most certainly need to be absolutely clear on what is described!

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Not to be suitable for Spirit Shaman spell progress then?
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ThornsM wrote:Not to be suitable for Spirit Shaman spell progress then?
No, Cavestalker only progresses Ranger and Druid spellcasting. I believe Spirit Shaman was discussed, but determined not to qualify.
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mrm3ntalist wrote:- Full caster progression only for rangers and druids.
FYI: Cavestalker does not appear to progress spellcasting. I was assuming the Cavestalker would grant a Spell Progression Feat at Level 1, but that is not the case (unlike Thaumaturge and other PrCs).

I've Rested a newly RCR'd druid/cavestalker, and will wait on a Server Reset to see if the spell progression eventually applies.

If that is so, at least, I'll make an edit to the Wiki/Forum entries for Cavestalker that states such is necessary (when building/RCRing with Cavestalker levels).

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Just relog.
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Valefort wrote:Just relog.
It took 2 relogs to work!! lol.

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AoS wrote:Balances the cavestalker vermin shape due to previous wildeshape changes.
Can someone please elucidate on these changes?

The old system was: "As you grow in power you vermin shape also increases, gaining 4 strength, 3 constitution and dexterity every 4 levels(lowest is 10,10,10). Growth progressions at level 6...."

And I worked out the "old" progression:

STR, CON, DEX
6: 10,10,10
10: 14,13,14
14: 18,16,18
18: 22,19,22
22: 26,21,26
26: 30,24,30
30: 34,27,34

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*bump*

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I can, after I come back from work.
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Ok.
When I added new forms to "magical beast shape" I also overhauled the existing ones. I did this by changing their natural weapons, fixing their hide properties and increasing their AC values slightly. They are now in the middle of dragon and elemental forms.

Since Cavestalker uses the phase spider form from "magical beast shape" it also got buffed through this change and became way too powerful.

You can argue, but I think vermin shape is not a cavestalker's main ability and it shouldnt be stronger than an epic feat.


The progression is now supposted to be:
STR CON DEX
6: 16 13 13
10: 19 16 16
14: 22 19 19
18: 25 22 22
22: 28 25 25

Despite the lower stats and due the magical beasts changes it should be slightly stronger then previously but not overpowered.
On the other side.... since I added vermin shapes to underdark druids we could simply remove this feat and grant surface dwelling cavestalker druids access to these vermin shapes.
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Cheers.

So if the new progression is +3, then:

26: 31 28 28
30: 34 31 31

??

If we compared the new stats to the old ones:

26: 30,24,30
30: 34,27,34

What are the changes to "...natural weapons, fixing their hide properties and increasing their AC", and how do they make the Vermin Shape—in this case Phase Spider—slightly stronger?

I get interested in the details! Especially having a Druid/Cavestalker in the UD. Cheers.

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No, the progression stops at 22.

Magical Beast Shapes got 2d10 base damage and their base AC increased to 8-12 (Elder Elementals have ~8 and Dragons 20). They also get Blind-Fight feat as a special due ethereal shifting & how it works in nwn2.
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